60 Is My Power Decade: Julia Linn on Aging and Wellness

Is it ever too late to meet your personal health goals? It took positivity and determination for athlete and women’s empowerment coach Julia Linn, otherwise known as @dolphinine , to overcome diabetes, a double organ transplant, and cardiac bypass surgery. In fact, since she embarked on her fitness journey at age 62, she has found great power and joy in taking full authorship over her health. This week, we peel back the layers of wellness, and dive deep into mindset.

My conversation with Julia explores her experiences with the toxic cultures of diet-exercise sectors, the peril of fast fixes, and the value of steady, measured progress and self-care. We hear personal stories on how menopause led her to experiment with varied foods and eventually find the balance that works best for her body. This further demonstrates the importance of self-responsibility in health and nutrition choices.

Join us as we navigate personal growth, health journeys, and fitness, drawing inspiration from others to lead healthier, happier, and longer lives! And for those wondering, the answer is: no, it is never too late to meet your health goals!

Be sure to check out Julia’s new book: My Power Decade: A Story of Mindset, Weight Loss, Muscle Gain, and Reclaiming Health After Age Sixty

Key Moments
“So, I’m 63. I’m on a stage in a bikini, and I actually won, and it just sort of started this whole experience for me of knowing what my body could do. And, more importantly, let women know who are 50 plus, struggling with menopause, struggling with self-esteem, struggling with their body issues, to see me: a double organ transplant, triple cardiac bypass, no thyroid, to see me, like, strong and muscular at 66, 65. They suddenly think: she gives me hope, she can do it. I can do it To me. That is the biggest gift I can give out of all my experiences: to let other women know this is possible. Don’t limit yourself.”

“Low calorie, high cardio is not sustainable, and I feel like that industry has said: ‘Okay, here’s another quick fix. How about a shot? How about you take a shot and it makes you so sick that you don’t want to eat food and you lose weight? How about that?’ First of all, it doesn’t deal with mindset issues, which are vital.”

“Be patient, go slow, listen to your body. Everybody’s different. If you want to do keto, do keto. If you want to do macros, do macros. If you want to do portion control, do that. Everybody’s different, but it has to be a common sense approach. Day in and day out, positive, repetitive action that shows you honor your body, you love your body. It can’t come out of ‘I hate my body, I’m disgusted.’”

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David: Welcome to SuperAge. My name is David Stewart. I am the founder of AGEIST and your host on the SuperAge show. We talk about how to live healthier, how to live longer and how to be happier and who doesn’t want that? Today’s show is brought to you by InsideTracker, the dashboard to your inner health. Go to insidetracker.com/ageist. Save 20% on all their products. Today’s show is also brought to you by Timeline Nutrition with their breakthrough product, mitopure, the first clinically tested Urolithin A supplement, which is showing tremendous results for mitochondrial health, timelinenutrition.com/ageist. Use the code AGEIST at checkout and save 10% off your first order of Mitopure. Today’s show is also brought to you by LMNT, my favorite electrolyte mix. It’s what I put in my water in the morning and it’s what I put in my water at the gym. Go to drinklmnt.com/ageist and receive a free eight serving sample pack with any purchase. Welcome to episode 143 of the SuperAge podcast. This will be dropping on July, the 19th 2023. This week, I am in the city, as in New York City, and it is an amazing place. We’re staying downtown in Soho, a neighborhood that I live near or in for maybe 25 years. I know it very well. It’s an amazing. I just love New York. There is no place on earth like New York. There are a lot of great cities out there, there are a lot of great towns, but everything else is sort of second. What can I say? It’s just, it’s great to walk around out here on the streets and really almost everybody I know is not here. All of my friends, a lot of the people that I’ve known for decades. They’re like all smart people who live in New York. They leave this time of year because the weather is not so great, but I don’t mind it. I’m just here for a couple of weeks. Yeah, it is like 90 degrees and 80% humidity and that can be a little uncomfortable in the thunderstorms in the afternoon, but so what? It’s great. The range of people that you see in a couple of blocks in New York exceeds pretty much anything you could ever see in any city of the world. And one of the things I love about New York and I’m going to give credit to Taylor Swift here she put out a video a few weeks ago about how great New York was, because you just never know. New York is so compressed that you can do two, three, four things in a night or a day and you never quite know where these things are going to lead you. It’s fairly easy to get around, especially if you’re in a neighborhood like this and the activities you want to participate in at the meetings you’re going to or whatever it’s all like walking distance, it’s easy, whereas Los Angeles and I love Los Angeles, it’s an amazing city you can’t do that because the traffic is just so utterly dysfunctional. You can do one thing, and you got to plan that out way in advance to make sure that happens, otherwise you’re going to spend eons in your car. But LA does have the weather and it’s kind of great. So for any of you out there who’ve been following the saga of my knee, this has been going on for about six weeks. I had an MRI done back in Salt Lake City a few days before we left for New York and I got a call yesterday from Dr Max, who’s my sports medical guy. Max is the sort of guy you want on your team, because Max was the team doctor for the Tour de France, so Max knows a lot about sports stuff. So Max gives me a call and I’m expecting something like well, david, you strained a tendon or something you need to sort of relax, put some ice on and everything will be fine. Well, that’s not what happened. I got a 10-minute list the notes I took on this. It takes up an entire page of paper of all the things that are going on with my knee, none of which are good. I’ve got an oblique tear in my medial meniscus. I’ve got a smaller posterior tear in my meniscus. I’ve lost about half of the cartilage in my knee, which apparently isn’t bad, but it sounds pretty bad to me. There’s this matter of an ACL that seems to have been torn at some point and was never repaired. I had no idea of this, and a few other things there. So the adventure continues. Luckily, most of the time I live in Park City, and if you’ve got a problem with your knee, that’s where you want to be, because guess what? The US ski team is there and the best knee repair people in the world are in Park City. I’m seeing one of these people on the 31st when I get back to find out. What are we talking about here? How bad is this really? I asked Max oh my God, what are we talking about Knee replacement here? He’s like no, no, there’s a range of things, but we need somebody who does this work all the time. There’s something called a clean out, which sounds really gnarly, but I’m not even sure what they clean out. The recovery process is like a week. If they have to go in there and do something about all this missing cartilage. Well, that’s like six to eight weeks. God help us if they got to do something about this ACL problem. That’s a whole other matter that I’m really hoping we don’t go there. What I have been told by people after this diagnosis, of course I was more than a little freaked out and I called up some of my medical friends and they’re like well, listen, you’re a 64-year-old athlete, this is not all that rare. What you’re describing here can happen to people in their 30s or early 40s and you’re holding up nicely. There will be more information on that in a couple of weeks as I find out more from Dr Cooley, who is the major domo knee guy in Park City. This week on the show we have Julia Linn Olson, who is known on Instagram as @dolphinine, and we’ve had Julia on in the past and we’re having her back because she’s got a book. You’ve got to check out her Instagram. She has such an inspirational story for all of you out there who may be suffering under the delusion that you’re 50, 60, and it’s sort of game over. There’s nothing you can do. Not true, very much not true. Julia has had double organ transplant. She’s had triple heart bypass. She had childhood diabetes, all kinds of issues associated with that. She was predicted to have a very short life, but she had some sort of miraculous operations and saved her life. But at around 60, she just said like hey, I got to honor my body. I’m not really happy with the way things are going here. I’m overweight, I feel sluggish. I got to do something and she did something and she utterly transformed herself. Why? Out of love for herself, out of respect for her body and she’s a wonderful person I’m actually going to have dinner with her next week. Because of COVID you don’t for a long time you really get to meet people, but I’m going to get to meet her next week. I’m super psyched. So we’re going to get with the amazing Julia Lynn @dolphinine in just a moment. After a quick word from our sponsors. The first sponsor of today’s show is Timeline Nutrition with their breakthrough product, mitopure. We all know how important mitochondrial energy is, and especially maintaining muscle and strength as we age. Urolithin A, which is found in mitopure, has been clinically proven to increase muscle strength and endurance with no other changes in lifestyle. Urolithin A is essentially upgrading your body’s cellular power grid, giving your body the energy it needs to optimize. I’ve been using mitopure for a few months now and what I can tell you is there is a noticeable change in the way my muscles reenergize after I use them. What that means is, say, I’m involved in some intense activity in the gym or maybe some sporting activity. Normally the next time I did it I would be kind of tired, I would be sort of gassed out. 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So, keeping with the quick reminder after my conversation with @dolphinine, otherwise known as Julia Lynn, stay tuned for Just Try This and that’ll be right after my conversation with her, but right now let’s give Julia Lynn a ring. Hey Julia, how are you today?

Julia: I am so good. How are you, David?

David: I’m great. It’s good to see you again. You have such you too. This is audio, but you have such a great smile.

Julia: Aw, thank you.

David: Really lovely.

Julia: Thank you.

David: So we’ve had you on before and some people know a little bit about you, but when you have this new book called My Power Decade, that I think is just brilliant. Tell me a little bit about your history for people who don’t already know.

Julia: Okay, well, I have a long history of dealing with body issues, medical issues, diabetic at 11, very brittle I’m 66, so I was diagnosed in the 60s when they didn’t know anything about juvenile diabetes. They just knew. You took one shot a day and hoped for the best. Well, by the time I was in my early 20s I was going blind from diabetic retinopathy. And then, my late 20s, my kidneys started to fail. Heart disease developed by the age of 34. My doctor said you know, you’ve got to be on dialysis. Your kidneys are failing in the next few weeks. You got to get ready for dialysis, but thing is, you’re probably not going to live to 40 because diabetics on dialysis have the same prognosis as someone in stage four cancer. That’s the best they could offer me. But they said we are doing experimental pancreas transplants with kidneys to our diabetic patients who need it. Of course kidney transplants were normal back then, or more common, but the pancreas transplant plant was not. They’d only done about 2000 in the world and one of the doctors, surgeons who perfected the technique and studied with Thomas Starzell, who is like the godfather of organ transplants from Pittsburgh, he did my pancreas transplant and they said we’ll do this but you could die, you could have a stroke, you know all these things, and I just thought I can’t live with diabetes anymore. Yes, I could go on dialysis, reduce my risk of heart attack, stroke and all of that that he was saying, but I could not live with diabetes anymore. So I took the risk and got the double organ transplant and I’m celebrating, on July 27, 32 years of additional life because of my organ donor, gina, who died in a tragic car accident in Colorado, and I will be forever grateful. This is the biggest blessing in my entire life, and I guess it was four years ago. I realized at age 62, oh my God, in two more years, at age 64, it’s going to be a 30 year anniversary. And that’s when I this switch flipped in me and I’m like I have to get in the best shape of my life. I need to honor this life, I need to honor my donor. I’m so grateful to be alive, so I started lifting weights.

David: Let’s put some numbers on this. So talk to me about your. I don’t like the weight discussion so much, but it’s like it’s a metric, right.

Julia: So it is a metric, it is.

David: Talk to me a little bit about your body composition, where you were at, what your physicality was like, if you can, before you started.

Julia: Yeah, yeah, that’s really important because I think more people can relate to that when they know I had periods of yo-yo dieting my whole life. I had periods of I was came from a sports-loving family, so it’s very athletic, but it was, you know, stop and start. And my weight I’m 5’1″ and the highest I ever got was like 145. And at age 62, I was probably at about 142. And after working out it took me three months to lose 10 pounds, but I kept at it, I kept at it, I kept at it and after a year I got down to 126 and I thought I want more of this because I was feeling so good. It was really not about the way I looked, it was about my health. And when I made that my vision and my target and not I want to lose weight, which is a shallow goal fat loss was a side effect and with muscle gain, my whole body suddenly knew what to do with food because I was gaining muscle and muscle is the best part of our metabolic pathway. That burns knows what to do with food, and so I just kept working out because I loved it. I was training with a coach and he suggested I do a bikini competition. I’m like what I don’t think. So no, I’m 63. I’m not a stage in a bikini, but I actually did and I won and it just sort of started this whole experience for me of knowing what my body could do. And, more importantly, let women know who are 50 plus, struggling with menopause, struggling with self-esteem, struggling with their body issues. To see me double organ transplant, triple cardiac bypass, no thyroid, to see me like strong and muscular at 66, 65. They suddenly thought she gives me hope, she can do it. I can do it To me. That is the biggest gift I can give out of all my experiences to let other women know this is possible. Don’t limit yourself.

David: Yeah, we need inspirational role models and you are one, absolutely. I just want to circle back to the weight thing, because I mean, the weight thing is just a really easy metric. We can all sort of know what that number is, but the main number is the body composition. That’s the name of the game. It’s not how much you weigh, and the way you went about this was diet and exercise, and I’m you know there’s a lot of stuff out there with Osempic and some of this other stuff. I’ve had somebody on the show earlier about this. I have some very strong feelings because it doesn’t do what you did. It’s not. What you’re doing is you’re losing muscle, along with the fat and what you’re losing resilience. You know, as you said, your muscle is biggest glucose sink in your body. It’s what metabolism is Right your muscle burning fuel. I just want to be clear with people on that that this is not about just like stepping on a scale. It’s something quite different from that.

Julia: Exactly and, like you said, that’s one metric. Another metric is is your mood better, are you sleeping, are your clothes looser? And the thing about Osempic and all these new little things that are out there and people are talking about it, is that the diet industry, the toxic culture we live in about diet and women’s bodies and men’s bodies knows now we all know low calorie, high cardio is not sustainable, and I feel like that industry has said okay, here’s another quick fix. How about a shot? How about you take a shot and it makes you so sick that you don’t want to eat food and you lose weight? How about that? No, I mean, I just feel. First of all, it doesn’t deal with mindset issues.

David: Right.

Julia: And that’s the big driver to me of body issues. You know, whether it’s dysmorphia, so obesity, which they now call like class three obesity, instead of morbid obesity, it’s class three obesity, or anorexia, or eating disorders or any of that. You know, everything comes back to what is your mindset, and the only thing that works and this is what I discovered and, as a coach, this is what I teach is common sense. Be patient, go slow, listen to your body. Everybody’s different. If you want to do keto, do keto. If you want to do macros, do macros. If you want to do portion control, do that. Everybody’s different, but it has to be a common sense approach a day in and day out, positive, repetitive action that you honor your body, you love your body. It can’t come out of this. I hate my body, I’m disgusted. That’s where the quick fix comes in, where I can take ozempic and I can lose weight in a couple of months. It’s not sustainable. It’ll make you sick. I just don’t understand why people don’t. Because they don’t change their mindset. That is what I understand. They don’t change their mindset.

David: I think what you’re describing here is sort of a circle of shame. I mean, anybody who’s listening to this, we all know that, like eating cupcakes in the morning bad idea. Like we just know that, yeah, our mother’s told us that when we were five right, don’t do that. But then if we do it, because we’re going to feel happy for about 10 minutes, but then inside we know we shouldn’t have done that, we sell shame by doing that and then we do more. But the reverse is also true. Every time we take a positive action, it’s reinforcing in our minds. We’re taking care of ourselves, we value ourselves, we are worth this. I’m eating food that’s health positive. I just made that up. I don’t know if that’s the term, but I just made that up. You know, I’m going to exercise. I’m going to make sure I get good sleep. I’m going to take care of my stress. Each one of these is the opposite of that shame cycle. It’s like you’re patting yourself on the back and say, oh yeah, you’re worth this, you can do this. Like I believe in you. I don’t know, I’m just making this up. No, but it’s not. Does that make sense?

Julia: Oh, it’s lovely, David, that’s so true. And then this self-trust it builds on itself, and I was thinking about this morning how we are born with a best friend and that best friend does everything for us, is there all the time, and as we get older, we take that best friend for granted. We don’t listen to it, we abuse it, we ignore it. What’s that best friend? It’s our body and we treat it like a piece of crap. And then we feel like crap that becomes normalized. Most people don’t know how sick they are until they start making those changes and they start feeling better and they’re like, oh my God, this is amazing. And then that’s the feedback loop that keeps them in that cycle that you’re talking about, like making a lining with a choice that is, honoring your body and loving your body and taking care of your body.

David: I’ve been thinking a lot about this lately, about how in 1960, it was fine to have two martinis at lunch and smoke four packs of cigarettes a day, totally socially acceptable. I remember riding in a car with my mom, who would smoke with the windows rolled up, with two kids in the car because she didn’t want to mess up her hair and, god forbid, a seat belt because it would wrinkle her dress. Now that today you call the police on somebody like that, this is like don’t go, I’m still alive today, I’m fine. But that was okay then because it was socially acceptable, and this is something that I think about a lot. What is socially acceptable is not necessarily a good thing for you. Just because people say it’s okay Doesn’t mean it is okay, especially for your body, for your organs, like what you discovered was before you started this. It was probably your friends were like ah, you’re fine, whatever, but it’s not fine, right, you’re feeling sluggish?

Julia: Yeah, feeling well. And for me it just really went back to that sense of being grateful to be alive. And I was born in 1957. My mom was only 23 years old, or just had turned 23, when I was born and she went to the hospital thinking she was going to give birth and she’d been out to a party that night. And they got to the hospital and she got so sick. I wasn’t born, but she got sick and all their friends were like what did you have? What did she have? And my dad said she had pizza and beer because she had thrown it off and had been smoking all night. So this drinking and smoking, I’m one of those 50s babies. I survived, we all survived, you know. But the social acceptability on the one hand is, in a way, a herd instinct. It’s like people don’t think for themselves. They are so concerned about what other people think they go with whatever’s done commonly rather than what do you need and not caring about what people think. I get fit shamed all the time. Yeah, me too.

David: Me too. That’s insane. Which I think is insane.

Julia: I could show all the time about this Right right, and I think it comes from a lack of knowledge that people have. They think they’re stuck and they see someone fit like you or me and it reminds them that they’re not and they also don’t have the will to get there and it’s kind of like how?

David: dare you?

Julia: How dare you be healthy in front of me? Or whatever it is, I think it threatens people.

David: I tell people you can live however you want. I’m not telling you how to live.

Julia: Right, no judge.

David: Whatever you want to do, if you’re happy like this, do it. But if you’re not happy and you want to change, I can show you how to do that, but I’m not telling you you have to do anything.

Julia: Right.

David: Sometimes I get grief from people about why don’t you just live a little and have the pancakes in the morning? It’s okay. But to me I do that because I don’t do it, because then I don’t feel good about myself. When I do that, even though it’s even before the like glucose nausea hits me, I just know this is wrong and I shouldn’t do this, and I feel bad about myself for having made that decision.

Julia: Yeah, yeah. Well, this is what I do. So I was in a competition two weeks ago and then I was in New York City and so you really are super strict leading up to a competition. So I knew being in New York with my house and we were going to eat some really good food and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I overdid it, but I enjoyed it. And it took me about a week and a half for that inflammation and that water retention to leave my body, but you know what? It was worth it because I enjoyed it and I’ve learned not to guilt myself about it. But I also don’t ever do. It’s not a regular thing with me. It’s not like every weekend I indulge in something that I know doesn’t make me feel good. This was like a once a year thing and I knew going in, okay, I’m not gonna feel great, but I’m gonna enjoy it, and I think part of that also reinforces this lifestyle I’ve chosen and every choice I make to align with being in a healthy body. It’s like all I have to do once you know you can have anything you want. You don’t want anything you want. You know what I mean. It’s like you have it and okay, that was great. I enjoyed it, but it’s not worth having every day and it’s just a reminder for me that to take care of my body takes planning, food prep. Knowing that I have a reason for doing it and that I enjoy doing it. It makes me feel like every day I’ve accomplished something in a positive way. But I do make allowances for, like people ask me, don’t you ever have treats? Yeah, I have treats. Yeah, of course I do, but it might be a quarter piece of the carrot cake. It’s not gonna be the whole thing, you know, and that might be once every few months. It’s a personal choice. And also knowing how your body reacts, and I think that’s the important thing. And so the whole guilt and shame thing on myself I had that for so long from childhood trauma and everything that I just thought, okay, we’re done with this, it’s just too exhausting. And that made a huge difference in also my self care and my self love and being able to help other women get beyond that self-flagellation so hard on yourself, because you would never create a friend like that. Or, if you have kids, you would never shame your kids like that, right, but we do it to ourselves all the time.

David: I think what you’re describing is the difference between conscious living and unconscious living. Oh yeah, mm, yeah so rather than just like unconsciously plodding along, putting whatever is in front of you in your mouth and doing whatever, but being conscious about like, okay, I’m eating this because of a reason that I’m eating this Right right and also that approach works for my body and my mindset.

Julia: But for someone like you, it’s like no, I’m not willing to pay that price of feeling like crap. And if you know that going in and you do it anyway, I can understand why that would be like feeling awful because you made a choice, knowing you’re gonna feel like crap. And you feel like crap and you’re like why did I do that? So obviously, what works for each person is so unique and there is no right way or wrong way. Our bodies are way too different. Way too different.

David: I wanna emphasize this, this idea that you know there are all these like diet books out there, like you were saying, like others, the keto, the vegan, the macro, the this or that, the blue zones, maybe it’s the purple potatoes, I don’t know. It’s all nonsense. It’s like because everybody is so we’re all so different. There’s so many the genetics, your biome, like your level of activity, your age, your hormones, your enzymes, all this stuff you know. What I wanted to ask you about was we have sort of shame on the one end of the scale, and then something that I really enjoy doing is the other side of the scale, which is celebration. Since I don’t have, oftentimes, people around me too like congratulating or celebrate things with me, I do it to myself. That’s so great, you do that.

Julia: You know what I do. People say, oh, you must be so proud of yourself and I’m proud of what my body has done. Yeah, I’m from the Midwest and we don’t. We don’t wanna draw like that kind of intent. You know what I mean? We don’t wanna. It’s like we’re taught not to inflate the ego, and so to me that always feels a little bit like that. But I can feel gratitude. To me that’s a celebration, like being really grateful. That’s a celebration.

David: I’m gonna tell you a secret about what I do. I just told me this trick. So if I do something, what I do is I take my left hand and I pat myself on the right shoulder and I say out loud I say good job, I love that. And so if I’m at the gym and I do something sort of like a good workout and I was like, okay, you did what you’re supposed to do, then I pat myself on the shoulder, I say good job, buddy. And it works.

Julia: I love. I’m gonna try that. I’m gonna try that. There are. There are also times where I hug myself yeah, right, yeah, yeah, I love that, david. I’m gonna try that.

David: I think I you told me that BJ Fogg, the behaviorist, I had him on. He was talking about the prompts and celebration and how we have to celebrate things. Yeah, he’s very overt in his celebration. It’s much more so than I am. I just pat myself on the jaw. Fogg says yeah, yeah, good job, buddy. But he jumps at the down and he has a special word that he says.

Julia: Yeah, yeah, that’s fantastic Cause it’s all that positive energy and affirmation for self which is a part of self-love, and caring enough about who you are and celebrating who you are. I guess, in a way, yeah, celebrating who we are is really important, you know. Yeah, it’s really important. I was talking to someone the other day and she said I’ll be really honest with you, I have a really hard time with self-love. I don’t know how to do that. And I said can you remember when you were a little girl and this woman is amazing I said you were probably this sweet, curious, delightful little being that everybody loved. Do you remember being that way? And she goes well, kind of. And people told me I was that way. I said love her, love that part of you. And if it’s hard to love, you know the self-love, just feel worthy, you know, get that self-worth feeling going. And I think so many of us, and I think this is where the whole body issue comes from, and one of the reasons I wrote my book is from the trauma we experience as children and the information we take in and we make it reality when it’s not, it’s just somebody else’s stuff that’s stuck on us because we’re sponges, you know, we’re so open to everything and it shuts us down in a lot of ways. And I think women in my era we’ve struggled with major body issues. I was at a competition an earlier one where bodybuilding competition, bikini competitors were all backstage, all age groups, 20 to 70 women in age. It feels ageless. Anyway, I was talking to this young lady who actually won first place, for I think she was in the 20-year-old division, and we were talking and she’s like, yeah, I really wish my dad, who’s your age, would go to the gym. And I said, well, he came in. I said I’m 66. And she said you know what? Your generation had a really hard time. I said what do you mean? And she said well, my generation. We talk about mental health issues. We talk about bulimia, anorexia, eating disorders, body dysmorphia. She goes your generation never talked about that. And I was like, whoa, that’s a truth bomb. We didn’t talk about it. People suffered in silence and that’s all a part of the baggage. Women baby boomer women, I believe, and women 50-plus have carried all these decades and talk about smoking and drinking while you’re pregnant or you got kids in the car or whatever. That whole thing just was never even addressed at all. It was one of those things. It’s just the way it is. People didn’t talk about it and they really do. These younger girls are really in touch with those issues, as well as the body shaming which I think you know, there’s a lot of very overweight women who are going to live longer than the super skinny ones who are obsessive about food and lifestyle and exercising. So even that has nothing to do with health. You know, very curvy women actually are probably the healthiest ones, just from evolution. They have bodies that can bear children. You know. They’re healthy, they have muscles, their body works. But we’ve made that a bad thing. You know, I think a curvy woman is so gorgeous and the really skinny, hard, muscular ones not as attractive, at least in my eyes. And I, when I first started competing, I was too skinny, I had no muscle, I was just too skinny. And I put on more muscle and not only do I feel better, but I feel like I look more normal, especially when I’m not in the competition season, because what you look like on stage you don’t walk around all year like that. That’s not healthy. I’ve also decided not to compete in a federation where women dope. They take steroids for muscle growth, which, again, that’s a personal choice and no judgment. But I can’t and won’t do that. So why am I competing against those that can? Because I’m never, and there are natural bodybuilding federations where they actually drug test you. So there’s a place for everybody and for everything and there’s no judgment there. It’s like we have a choice. You have a choice of diet, you have a choice of whatever body composition. And people ask well, what do you think the best diet is? And I don’t like that word diet, it’s more nutrition. But I always say the best one is the one you can follow.

David: Yeah.

Julia: You know that’s good for your body and maybe that means they don’t eat carbs. Or maybe it means they’re completely plant-based. Or maybe it means they’re eat all animal protein. Like how could you tell someone that’s not good for you if you’re not their doctor and you don’t have the inside scoop on their health scenario?

David: Eat for who you are and for the day that you’re having. You know, if I’m going to go to the gym for two hours, I need 3,500 calories.

Julia: That’s just the way it is.

David: If it’s Sunday and I’m laying on the sofa reading the paper, it’s more like 2,000. It varies. I love what you said about younger people. We have a couple of younger people here that I work with and I learned so much from them their sort of openness, their flexibility, a lot of the stuff that you and I didn’t even realize we were so uptight about until we were sitting with this other way of being, oh yeah, that’s okay, yeah.

Julia: Yeah, absolutely. So what are some things you’ve learned from the young people?

David: The mental health stuff.

Julia: Yeah.

David: Totally open. The value of freedom. Freedom is probably the highest value, more than money, more than things, more than jobs. The idea to control your own time and your own life I think it’s very important. I just read a thing in the Wall Street Journal the other day about how hearing aids there’s no stigma for younger people. For them it’s like oh yeah, whatever, we’re hearing aids. I think it’s partially because we’ve all especially for them. They’ve had phones and earbuds their whole lives, so it’s no big deal to put something in your ears. But this idea that someone has some kind of a handicap I wear glasses Okay, nobody makes fun of me for it. They made fun of me when I was 10, but nobody says anything now. So glasses are fine, but for them, hearing aids are totally fine. There’s no whatever. I wore Invisalign for about six months this year to correct my teeth, whatever. I think that that viewpoint on these things I just love.

Julia: I do too. What they’re doing is they’re putting importance on things that are important and not putting importance on things that have no bearing on anything. The sense of values and their self-value and how they look at others and value others is really pretty enlightened, I think you know.

David: Yeah, I mean we as a species-.

Julia: Hey, young people, we love you. I’m loving my hands, Even though this is the Agest magazine. We see I know.

David: Well, but hey, ageism goes both ways, right. Yes, I’m like why should we be prejudicing as younger people just because they’re younger, Exactly? They’re really interesting things to say and I’m smart about some things, but my team is way smarter about a lot of stuff than I am, so I listen to them. Yeah.

Julia: Yeah, oh, that’s so great, it’s such a good point, really good point.

David: Talk to me a little bit about what was the difference in what you were eating before to how you eat now. Were there things that you found work for you and I’m not saying this is going to work for anybody else, but I’m just saying like for you? I’m curious.

Julia: Yeah Well, I think you said it earlier, I was not a conscious eater, I was whatever was convenient, whatever looked good, whatever I felt like. And you know my husband and I, it lived all over the world. We were in the Middle East for four years, in Saudi Arabia, we were in Mexico, we lived in Italy for a while and it’s like I just ate what I wanted to and sampled all the goodies and just enjoyed food without any thought of. You know, I wouldn’t overdo it. I wouldn’t eat myself till I was like I’m Thanksgiving. We tend to overeat. You can’t even button your pants, but I didn’t give it a lot of thought, I would just I thought I was making good, healthy choices, not eating too much. But you know what? We hit menopause. Your body is not responding the same way, and so what changed for me was a very deliberate experimentation of tracking my food to make sure I was in a calorie deficit and then finding out what foods had an adverse effect on my body. And I found out that dairy plugged me up. It caused inflammation. I would get plug sinuses and feel lethargic. I found that wheat and bread and bread products didn’t agree with me. I tended to also experience inflammation and water retention. And too much fruit, like the only fruit I can eat are berries. Watermelon bloats me. I mean, it’s like an apples are too high glycemic. It spikes my blood sugar. So what I did is I used my body as a lab and experimented with what foods made me feel the best and I kept a tight lid on how much I ate of what and I tracked it. And I get these messages from women that say I go to the gym five days a week, I eat healthy, and I’m not. I’ve not lost weight in three or four years and I’m like, okay, something’s not working and I would guess it’s your food, because if you’re not tracking, if you aren’t conscious of everything you put in your mouth, you’re overeating. And if you weekends come and you’re like, okay, I’m just going to enjoy myself, and then you add alcohol in which has no nutritional value, we enjoy it, it’s fun, whatever enhances your experience with food, but if that’s a habit, that’s going to stop you from fat loss. So I just feel like what I did was go from being unconscious as an eater, like just I’m free to do whatever I want, I’ll eat healthy, I’ll watch that I don’t eat too much. No results whatsoever, that I wanted no effect in my body. That was positive to let me see exactly what I’m putting in my body and what it does to me and let’s start making choices about not having that, not having that. And I don’t believe in ripping off the bandaid. I believe you taper things down, like, if somebody has two glasses of wine every day, don’t go cold turkey, just start having one glass of wine, then maybe one glass of wine every three days and then maybe one glass of wine every other weekend. Give your body a chance to let go of that habit and then see how you feel. And a lot of people that I’ve worked with say oh my God, I don’t even like wine now because I don’t like how it makes me feel. But it wasn’t because somebody told them you can’t have that. They use their body as an experimental, and I love that approach because you’re the expert. You are your own self healer Period. You got to figure it out, and so I think that was the difference for me. I took responsibility for everything I put in my mouth and tracked it and kept a record of how it made me feel, how much I ate, and now I know how much I need to bring things down. If I want to shave off a couple pounds or I want to put on a couple pounds, I know exactly what to do and my body responds now because I’ve treated it well, nutritionally for four years now.

David: Thought that keeps coming to mind here is self responsibility. I’m in a place where I don’t live, so I was. It wasn’t on food here, so I went to the smile to go down the street and I just had like an awesome turkey sandwich, yummy.

Julia: It feels really good. Yeah, food in New York is amazing.

David: Hopefully I’m going to go to the gym in a couple hours, but this idea of we are responsible, we can’t offload this onto others, and it’s nobody put the cupcake in my mouth. I did that.

Julia: Right, right Right.

David: And I think what you said, this idea of like sort of tapering down so we can our bodies become sensitive enough so that we can feel how things feel. And if we’re in a state of like, really high inflammation and, you know, very poor health, we’re eating really high glycemic food all the time and it just there’s no feedback loop because everything is just on overload all the time, right, and so you got to sort of gradually bring that down.

Julia: Right, right. And the other thing is that, you know, I think one of the reasons people don’t start a journey of health and fitness is they think it’s going to be so hard and it really is hard in the beginning but it gets better. And if you don’t do it, it’s never going to get better, it’s just going to get harder. To me, that’s like a logical choice, like, do you want to just keep having it get harder? Like like you’re complaining today about aching joints and being overweight, not being able to tie your shoes and feeling disgusting in your clothes. And if you don’t make the choice to change that, which will present challenges, you’ve got to be disciplined, you’re going to learn a lot about yourself. But if you don’t do that, these are the good days for you because it’s only going to get worse. And I don’t think people realize that, that I don’t think they realize that. And I’m 66. And I sometimes, when I go to the doctor’s office or whatever, and I see women and men younger than me struggling and I just think, wow, you had a choice, you still have a choice, you know to change that narrative and be independent and be able to walk to the bathroom when you’re 90. I mean, I want that more than anything is I want to be independent and be healthy and just go to sleep one night and then, you know, leave this earth peacefully, not in through some terrible disease or incapacitation. And I think the other thing is cognition, and you know, cognitive abilities decline with age. Normally that’s not a big deal. But if you’re not feeding your body, you’re also not feeding your brain. Do you want to end up with Alzheimer’s? Do you want to end up with dementia? Do you want to? And of course, if people get it, they don’t know because it’s a brain disease and there’s no cognition about it. But the thought of that terrifies a lot of people and I just feel like that again, having the fear factor to change your behavior is a little bit like having the self-loathing factor change your behavior. It’s got to be. You got to have a bigger. Why? Got to be something you can put your grip with your hands and say, okay, I get this, I get that if I take care of myself. This is the payoff that comes to me. And I had no idea that the payoff was going to be more than just being in a strong body. It changed the way I thought. It changed the way I approached my life. I mean I had a whole reboot, download of new software in my being from getting healthy because for the first time in decades I felt good, I felt better and that my brain health improved, my thinking improved, everything improved. But we just stumble along for decades, like I did in my 40s and 50s, with, okay, I guess it’s the best it can be, and that’s just not true.

David: You told me something once, which was you get to pick your heart. And talking about here requires a little bit of conscious living, and that can be somewhat hard. Diabetes is hard, cancer is hard, heart disease is hard, Alzheimer’s is hard. You get to pick.

Julia: Right, right, and that was a phrase that I didn’t come up with. I’ve seen it a lot where it’s like pick your heart, what do you want? And that word responsibility is, if you take it apart, it’s your ability to respond. And so taking responsibility means do you have the ability to respond to your current state of health and make choices and changes that are gonna elevate you and help you live your best life? Because we’re living longer and longer I mean, I think of my grandmother at 66, we’re not the same kind of woman at all the medical miracles that have happened and the research they’re doing all the time, and it’s just gonna get more and more crowded with health, I would say answers to all the ailments we have. And do you wanna be around for that? And, of course, if you don’t feel well and you’re really sick, no one wants to be around for that. But why walk that path? Why not have that ability to respond where you are now and make changes? And really, people, David, in our age group we have wisdom, we’ve lived some life and, yes, we can learn from young people, absolutely. But we know we’ve seen it all, we’ve done it all and we’ve tried so much. We know what works and doesn’t work. Like people know, you have to move more and eat less, but why don’t we do it? Everyone knows that’s the key, you know, but why don’t we all do it? And I think it’s just a matter of priorities for people as well. It’s like have they given up?

David: Well, I think it’s a combination of things and I’ll just say but, like my motivation is, says Stacy Lennon told me she said bring the person you are today, not the person you were. So like there’s a lot of stuff I just cannot. This is a matter of what I do. I’m not just talking about what I do the way I did when I was 20. Okay, sure. But I wanna be as useful and helpful and contributing as much as I can, for as long as I can, and in order to do that I need to keep my physicality in shape. I need to be, you know, I need to be able to tie my shoes, I need to go pick some up. Exactly. You know, if somebody needs help, I need to be able to respond and be able to do that to contribute. I wanna be on that side of the equation rather than like, oh, geez, I’m, you know I can’t pick this up, or something. The two factors that I hear a lot and I think we’re all subject to these things is sort of a cost-benefit analysis. They’re saying like, oh, if I do this this much, it’s gonna hurt this much, cost this much, it won’t work for me, I’m not gonna try. That’s not true. And then the other part that causes us to think it’s not true is I’m not worth it. And you are worth it, you are absolutely worth it. And this stuff is really. This is not like rocket science, like we’re not talking about anything here. That was like some new scientific discovery. It’s just like movement, nutrition.

Julia: Go to sleep and take care of your stress it’s.

David: You know it’s not about anything advanced here, and I feel like I want everybody to look at your Instagram. I want everybody to read your book to understand that this is possible. As much as I love you, julia, I don’t think you’re an extraordinary athlete. I don’t think you’re extraordinary.

Julia: I’m sorry about me. I’ll be honest. I’m like everybody else. I don’t know.

David: You’re just like everybody else. I am Same as me. I’m not. I don’t have a medal at the Olympics.

Julia: Yeah right, I don’t know about those people yeah.

David: But it’s just adherence. It’s just sort of every day and you make progress and you say to yourself, is that pad in the bag? It’s like, oh, you did that, that’s really great. Yeah, what else can you do? Yeah, what are the things that we think are impossible? And each time that we do something, we achieve something like this, whatever it is, we lift a little more weight, we work a little longer, we’re you know, we feel a little better. It expands our imagination of what’s possible, because as much as I can tell someone you can do this, they’re not gonna believe me. What they’re gonna believe is evidence of themselves doing it and they teach themselves. Like you, I was in a hospital for a year. I was a mess. I just like almost died a few times. Nothing like what I am now, and it took me, you know, some time to get back, but it’s just little bits of progress. Oh, you can do this, you can do this a little more, a little more, and then it becomes a habit and then it becomes a way of life, right, and but we have to. It’s that self-responsibility. Like as much as you and I can be cheerleaders for people, the thing that moves the needle is them seeing it for themselves and saying this is possible. Oh my God, I can do this. I never thought I could.

Julia: Right, right, yeah, absolutely. And I think that there’s things that work against having that mindset, and one is that you know everything moves so fast right now. I mean order from Amazon in the morning, get it the same day, that kind of stuff. So we want everything now, now, now now, and the whole idea of being patient and allowing nature to take its course. And your body is nature, and I have this phrase I use a lot, saying you can’t push a river. It’s, there’s a natural flow to how your body functions in the physical world and you’re not. You can’t push that process. If you want to push the process and lose 20 pounds in a month, yeah, you can do that, but you’re not going to do it in a healthy way and it’s going to come right back with more. And I always think about how long it takes for a sperm, fertilizers, egg and nine months later that precious baby is born. It takes nine months for that physical body to form in nature and be born and be viable. And people want to see the same kind of changes in their own body. I mean, in a month or two months or three months. It ain’t happening. Give yourself a year, like a baby being born, a baby being incubated in the uterus, being born. It takes another maybe three months to get aware of its surroundings, even though some come out like I’m here, I know what I, they’re like so aware. But I give yourself a year. Some people say 90 days. Yeah, that’s a start, but usually it’s like out of the gate, rah, rah, rah, motivation, and then at three months, you reach your goal. Then what? Now? What? How do I sustain this pace? You can’t. So you do it slowly, smartly, and you take every little thing. You learn every day and you build on those habits, which is what you learn every day. You build on those habits, which that’s what you’re talking about, david. That’s exactly you know. You build this, you build the self-trust, you build the habits. It becomes who you are. You’re not on some program or diet or you know fitness kick. This is who you are, this is how you live, and there’s nothing more powerful than that. I mean to get up in the morning and be excited to go to the gym and be confident in your body and how it feels, and that you know you can get the suitcase up on the overhead on an airplane without help, and I mean to me that’s the payoff Just being able to move through life at a speed that’s enjoyable and that gives you pleasure, and you’re healthy. God, what could be better than that?

David: There’s a relaxed power in like owning who you are and saying like, okay, this is who I am, and I think that this is about a way of being this idea of honoring ourselves, and in so doing, there’s a certain sort of. I still have emotional up and down. I get like hate mail once in a while and it’s like riles me a little bit, but not nearly as much because it’s I feel better about who I am and I think that the time thing here TikTok time is 10 seconds. Yeah, but if you’re an elite athlete, somebody who’s like one of those like top 10 in the world sort of people and none of us are I know some of them. Actually they train at my gym. They may I think you might have some inspiration to be around those people. They like a coach with them. They have a two or a three year plan. They’re not thinking about in three months or in six months, they’re thinking two years, three years. Okay, this is what these are, the small actions we need to do and we’re gonna build you up and then you’re gonna have the confidence you’re gonna be wherever I don’t like you saw, like the Williams film. About Serena and Venus, and Venus and their father and whatever. Whatever you think of their methods, there’s a process there and the father’s like, okay, this is gonna be 10 years and that’s very extraordinary people. And my point here is that’s saying, echoing what you are saying, that it’s not a TikTok time, it’s a longer time, but that doesn’t mean that every week we don’t get victories, that there aren’t things that we can celebrate, there aren’t those things we can pat ourselves on the back. It’s not like this grueling trudge for three years. It’s not that it’s every day. We get up, we do something. We say, okay, that was a victory, that’s great. And it’s like this, I’m sure, like with you there was. You told me after three months you lost what like 10 pounds or 20 pounds 10 pounds, which was like boom, like that’s a celebration. That’s amazing. Oh my gosh, I did this. Look at where I’m going, look at the journey I’m on, look at my trajectory now versus where it was. We’re ocean liners. The tugboat has to really push on the ocean liner. That moves at a couple of degrees, but that’s all you need to do, because then the whole thing starts moving in a different direction, and that’s. I’m feeling a little motivational speaker here. I’m going to calm down.

Julia: That’s what.

David: I’m thinking.

Julia: What everything you’re saying is so true, and I think that that idea of the timing and that celebrating the winds is really, really important and seeing the long view, I think that’s the biggest thing. It’s the long view. It’s not, you know, whatever that cliche is. It’s a marathon, not a sprint, but it’s the day in and day out. And you also mentioned, you know, we’re human. We do have off days. We do, I mean, as positive as I am and I live my life on the sunny side of the street. I, like you said, I’m human. I have days where I’m sad or I’m annoyed or I’m stressed, and what’s happened is those are less and less and I can weather them. And I recently I think part of it was due to completing my competitions, which I’ve done for like the first six months of the year this year- so, it was pretty grueling. I had like a postpartum depression thing. That started about three weeks, four weeks, a month ago. I was just sad and I even said to my husband. I said I don’t know what’s going on, but I just wake up in the morning and it was dark. I was just, I felt dark, I felt sad, I felt despondent and there was nothing going on in my life that I could identify as being the cause. And I really, because I tend to be a spiritual person I really wanted to get to the like how can I deal with this? Because it was I wouldn’t say I was clinically depressed or anything like that. I don’t have a history of that, but it was I would call it a dark night of soul and I didn’t know what was going on and I decided that what I was going to do was going to just forget about the past, not think about the future and live in the present moment. And I suddenly stepped into the calm in the center of the storm. It was like I had been in a hurricane and I stepped out of that swirling hurricane into the center of this present moment. This is all that’s real. It’s this present moment, and there was such peace and calm that I just stayed there. I just that’s where I put my attention, and I would do long meditations where I would just be present in this moment and it was like I connected with this, the center of who I was. That is peaceful and calm. And suddenly all that noise just went away, and it took a week. But now I know I have a tool, a technique that works for me that when all that stuff gets stirred up and I think this because we’re human it happens. You know, and I also think, hormonally my body was out of whack from the competitions and so there were a lot of things happening and I just realized how incredible it is that really the present moment is all we have and all we’re sure of. Yeah, absolutely, we can plan for the future, but the past is over. And let plan for the future, but let it happen. Let it happen naturally. Don’t obsess about it, don’t try and control it, don’t worry about it, don’t be anxious about it. It’s like do your best in this moment. And I think working out keeps me in the present moment, just like the people that climb Mount Everest. I love Mount climbing books, and what I’ve noticed is all those people that are obsessed with climbing mountains are very high performers in life, either lawyers or doctors or someone who’s like in their head all the time. The only way they can turn it off is to climb a mountain, because the only thing they have to worry about is where’s my next footstep going to go. They have to be 100% present and all that noise goes away and I think, being healthy, we’re more able to do that, and I know working out does that for me too. It just brings me right into the present moment, appreciative of what I can do physically, and I don’t worry or think about anything else because I’m enjoying it right. Whenever we’re doing something we really love and we’re in the zone, it’s great, and training does that for me, does it do that for you?

David: Yeah, I mean, I remember it was when last week I told my team I was a little tired that day. I said I’m not going to go to the gym, take care of some things, and at two o’clock it was like I’m going to go to the gym. And the next day they just laughed Like yeah, that’s what we thought.

Julia: You needed to right, you wanted to.

David: Yeah, I just I knew I would feel better. And I want to say a little something here about exercise and that I’ve had Joel Jamison on the show. Joel’s a MMA strength and conditioning coach and he’ll tell you you can only train to the extent that you can recover. And it’s not about training as hard as you can, it’s about finding the minimum intensity and the minimum volume that will cause the adaptation and then stop, because otherwise you’re just it’s not going to work, you’re just going to exhaust yourself and you’re going to get hurt. And I think that it’s very important to have a methodology, to have like a program, and I know that sounds sort of strict, but I think understanding you know this progressive overload on your body and how much you can do in a day, and then how to recover and then what does recovery feel like? And I think that that’s something in the beginning like you were saying with the food sort of reach a certain level of reduced inflammation before you can even sort of feel how food affects you. And I think it’s the same thing with exercise, like understanding oh, I’m actually tired, I can’t, I need to. Today’s a down day and understanding that this is not about going in there for three hours and like all out and then collapsing for a week. There needs to be some guidance. This is what I would say.

Julia: Yeah, absolutely. To me, this is the amazing nuance of fitness. It’s the nuance of knowing your body and applying these principles of weight training and you know fitness in a way that works for you and absolutely finding the sweet spot and not overdoing it, not underdoing it, because you can get injured. Especially if you are a more mature individual in age, you know you do not want to get injured. If anything hurts, you stop. But I think elite athletes know this really well because the nuance of fitness is their. Fitness is their, that’s their career, that’s their job, that’s who they are and they probably know better than anybody how to manage that. But on another level, we need to do that for ourselves too, and that’s why the value of having a coach Super helpful.

David: I’ve been talking about this recently, about balance and stability, and so I’ve been going to physical therapy because I thought I had some problems with my toes. And they’re like, yeah, your toes and your feet, but it’s really your hips and your whole body mechanics. We need to fix this. And it’s like, well, what do you mean? Like I’m strong, I can do these things. They’re like, yeah, I’m strong, I’m strong, I’m strong, I’m strong, I’m strong, I’m strong. They’re like, yeah, we’re not even going to know. Look at the stuff you need to learn.

Julia: Yeah, that’s that nuance, that’s the nuance.

David: That’s the thing. Yeah, we’ve been talking a while, julia. Thank you so much. Tell everybody the name of your book.

Julia: It is my Power Decade, and the subtitle is A Story of Mindset, weight Loss, muscle Gain and Reclaiming Health After Age 60.

David: And we’re going to put a link to that in the show notes. What is your Instagram? Because it’s awesome.

Julia: Yeah, it’s @dolphinine and that’s dolphin I-N-E, d-o-l-p-h-i-n-i-n-e, and that word just means dolphin-like, which it’s kind of joy, play strength. That’s kind of what I think of myself as being dolphin-like. I love the water. I’m a Pisces. I had a dream of being a dolphin, so it just stuck. I never changed it. But yeah, it’s Julia Lynn @dolphinine.

David: You guys shall follow her. Super inspiring, you’re the poster child for what can be versus what could have been.

Julia: Yeah, yeah, thank you for that, david, and I so appreciate the opportunity to share my story because it’s gives people hope, you know, it gives them hope and I’ll tell you. I’ll tell you. This is like I haven’t announced this anywhere, but I’m going to announce it here because it’s you. But on July 27th of this month that’s in a couple, well less than a couple weeks I’m going to New York to be on Access Hollywood because they want me to tell my story and I just feel like this is an opportunity again to give people hope and I’m just super excited about it. A senior producer at NBC sent me an email and I’m like and they asked and I’m like, yeah, absolutely. So I’m just really excited about spreading that message of hope for people in our age group to know if I can do it, you can do it, and I’m just such a cheerleader. That’s all I want to do. I want women and men too, although women are really my client base. I just I just want them to know what’s possible.

David: You are such a rock star, I don’t watch much television, but for you I’m going to watch television. I’m a senior.

Julia: I don’t watch television either. I’d even know what Access Hollywood was. I had to look it up. It was like, oh okay, well, it’ll be fun.

David: That’s great. Thanks so much for your time, julia. I really appreciate it and thank you for like being in my life. It’s really. I love talking to you. Every time we have a conversation, I feel better about me and the world.

Julia: Oh, you’re such a darling David. Thank you. Thank you so much.

David: Have a wonderful rest of your day. Thanks so much.

Julia: You too Bye.

David: Isn’t she wonderful. I mean the power of inspiration, my gosh. I just whenever we think something is hard and we can’t do it, there are people like Julia Lynn that show us you can do it. So we’re going to leave a link to her book, and her book is the Power Decade A Story of Mindset, weight Loss, muscle Gain and Reclaiming Health After Age 60. So that’s on Amazon right now. We’re going to get with. Just try this after a quick Our show is also brought to you by LMNT, spelled L-M-N-T, my favorite electrolyte mix. One of the great findings that I learned last year was the importance of electrolytes in my water, especially sodium. Of course, if you have hypertension or you’re prehypertensive, this is something you want to pay attention to. But for most of us, we’re probably lacking electrolytes, and my favorite one is element. And guess what they just launched grapefruit. I’m actually drinking a element grapefruit right now, and that’s awesome. Go to drinkelementcom, slash ages, get a free eight serving sample pack. That’s D-R-I-N-K-L-M-N-T dot com. Slash ageist and get a free eight serving sample pack with your next purchase. This week’s tip comes courtesy of Malcolm Gladwell and the Buddhist. And what are those two things have in common? That you can change your mind. As Gladwell says, you have a brain and one of the great things about having a brain is you’re able to take in new information and make new opinions, make new decisions, and for some of us, as we get a little older, it’s like you think like oh well, I know whatever. I have a firm, locked opinion on whatever, based on information from way back when, and I’m not going to look at any new information. But this week the tip is when something new comes into your life. You don’t have to just, you know, for the sake of saving face or being steadfast like, just stay with whatever opinion or decision you have. You can change your mind. You have a brain. We can use it and we can use it to change our thinking on things. Openness, that’s the tip for the week. New information can possibly bring new decisions and new points of view. Just try this. Let me know how it goes Next week. On the show we’ve got another great show. Oh my God, I just love doing these. Hey, and you can do us a favor, you can leave us up to a five star review. I know I should like put this at the beginning of the show, but I don’t know. It just seems a little too self-promotional for me. So I’m asking you right now you can leave up to a five star review wherever you’re listening to this. You can leave a comment a good one, hopefully. And what we would really love is to encourage your friends, your family, the people that you know, to subscribe to the podcast, download it and listen, and if you want to contact me directly, I’m totally open to that. David, at superagecom, I answer all of my email promptly and personally. Until next week, have a wonderful week and we’ll see y’all then.